This week Jim and I were talking about how unfortunate it is for young people to have to make career decisions before they are old enough to know what they are truly passionate about. This led into a conversation about what we would be passionate about in a career should we have opportunity to make that decision today (speaking from just a single view not relative to family decisions). Jim said he would be a motorcycle mechanic and I still couldn’t decide so I guess I am not grown up enough yet ๐ . Actually, I have a lot of interests so that makes it difficult. I love writing and public speaking though and am very passionate about life so I would probably choose a career that would give me a medium for this. How about being a political commentator? LOL. Well heck…I have opportunity for that right now:). Not everyone will appreciate this either but let me assure you, that won’t get in my way today;).
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Yesterday Kristi emailed me a video link then she sat back twiddling her fingers waiting for me to call with enough passion to send sparks through the neighborhood. Actually that isn’t true – she wasn’t trying to button push – she simply knew who a willing vent partner would be ;).
Today I am going to submit my commentary on a 5 minute clip from “The View” that was available on the web yesterday. You might want to watch it first before reading my tirade about this. Click HERE.
I am not a View fan and never have been. Now that Star Jones is gone and Rosie O’Donnell is coming, I suspect to be even less of a fan. And as of this moment, I am NOT a fan of Barbara Walters either.
Background: View gals were discussing “The Morning After Pill” because the FDA is considering making it available over the counter. This pill, if taken within 72 hours of intercourse, will prevent either contraception IF taken prior to the egg and sperms union OR the implantation of the newly formed embryo into the uterine wall. (Side note: This same method of “contraception” exists in all combined birth control pills as well on a lesser level – thus the reason I do not support oral contraceptives – read my choose life pages if you are interested in information on that).
Now begins my commentary on 5 minutes of insanity.
The title of the video clip was the first to catch my attention:
“The View – Elizabeth Loses Her Mind” (Or the other title listed “Elizabi***** Freak Out)
I knew where this was headed before I even started watching.
The show opens with Barbara Walters giving the background on the issue and opening it for discussion. Elizabeth takes on the discussion right out of the gate. Lord bless her precious heart for her comments but I was wishing I had a mic in her ear because she made a few comments that managed to derail the conversation. Mistakes conservatives make over and over that just create inconsistency in the debate. If you don’t watch the clip, it may be tough to follow this commentary because I can’t take it on line by line but I will address a few things that came up.
Life does not begin at conception
Here is where I wish Elizabeth would have said “Scientifically it does. That is a medical fact.” Good grief this is such an outdated argument in view of medical and technological advancement. Welcome to the 21st century folks – get on board.
The Morning After Pill Prevents Pregnancy
That depends on how you define pregnancy doesn’t it?
Prior to 1976, a ???contraceptive??? was understood to be an agent that prevented the union of sperm and ovum. In 1976 the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, realizing that this definition didn???t help its political agenda, arbitrarily changed the definition. A contraception now meant anything that prevented implantation of the blastocyst, which occurs six or seven days after fertilization. Conception, as defined by Dorland???s Illustrated Medical Dictionary [27th edition], became ???the onset of pregnancy marked by implantation of the blastocyst???. The hidden agenda in ACOG???s redefinition of ???contraceptive??? was to blur the distinction between agents preventing fertilization and those preventing implantation of the week old embryo. (Info taken from my referenced Choose Life pages)
I’ll make this simple. It is ludicrous to change the definition of pregnancy in defense of contraception. There IS a hidden agenda to define pregnancy as implantation because this suggests that life does not begin at conception. Irregardless of the games America and our medical community has wanted to play for the last 30 years, it defies natural laws to suggest that life does NOT begin at conception. That being the case, the current medical definition of the word defies science as we know it. One woman carrying one living human IS pregnant.
What About Rape and Incest?
Leave it to a group of liberal women to derail a conversation on the 2% because they can’t intelligently defend the 98%. I wish Elizabeth would have called them cowards for that (in the kindest of ways;).
Am I afraid to address the Rape/Incest issue? No I am not but I am sick and tired of spending huge percentages of time discussing the 2% because these liberals can’t carry on a meaningful conversation.
But let me just answer the question first (and yes I was disappointed in the way Elizabeth handled this…she was confusing and misleading and inconsistent).
The situation was proposed by Barbara that a 12 year old incest victim gets pregnant by her father. Shouldn’t she be allowed to have access to an OTC pill?
ALL LIFE IS VALUABLE!!!!! The 12 year old is valuable and so is her baby. Do I believe she should carry that baby to term? YES I DO!! Is the situation horrifying and beyond imagination? Yes!!! Does killing the baby solve the horror of the incest? No!!! It just adds more victumization to the 12 year old and kills one innocent child. Now if the question was “What if the 12 year old physically can’t carry the child and will absolutely and undoubtedly die along with the baby if she tries?” The answer to that question is still CHOOSE LIFE. In the case where two lives are at stake, then you have to make the best decision you can to save the life that can be saved. In some cases that is the mother and not the child and other times it’s the child and not the mother. This is a rare circumstance though and it doesn’t deserve the air time it gets because laws shouldn’t be written around the extreme circumstances.
Poor Elizabeth got overwhelmed with this portion of the debate and she quickly lost ground. The first thing a liberal will do when you make an exception for rape and incest is turn around and say you are a hypocrite and I do give them credit for that accusation because it’s a fair one. Victumization of a woman is not justification for further victimization of a child. I don’t say this without sympathy for the situation. Approximately 90% (so I have read) of women in this country have faced some form of sexual abuse. I did not escape it either as most of you know…but we don’t solve any problems for woman by killing babies…we only create more.
Elizabeth Needs to Calm Down
The end of the segment made me want to raise the roof. Here is how this always plays out. Once someone starts getting passionate, the patronizing diplomacy card gets pulled. It gives the appearance that the passion is neurotic craziness and the diplomacy is applauded as true intelligence. This infuriates me. This morning I went round and round in my mind over what causes this phenomenon. Why are people so afraid of passion?
Here are the things I would like to say to Barbara in regards to this topic:
Barbara, if the world issues were solved by diplomacy alone this country would not still be killing innocent children. There are issues WORTHY of our passion. Issues that DEMAND our passion. This is one of them. The problem is, we are a selfish me-first culture. Let me give you an example.
You believe that woman of maturity should be able to carry on these conversations with calm, passion-less, reserve while sipping tea and propping our feet on coffee tables. Let’s imagine that but let’s change the conversation. Let’s imagine that we both have our steaming vanilla latte’s in hand, shoes off, pillows piled around us, and you ask me what I think should be done about sexual violence and rising cases of incest in our country and I prop back comfortably and say:
“Well Barbara….sigh…glad you brought this up. I do of course sympathize for the young girls being abused by their male family members but frankly, I think we also need to consider the rights of all those involved. I think that some men are born with the desire to have sex with very young girls and I think it is rather bigoted to discriminate against them for acting upon their natural desires. By defending the rights of the young woman to not be violated, we also remove the right of the male to act out in his own self acclaimed best interest. I just don’t support removing rights from any individual when they are acting in accordance with their genetic predetermination. I am sorry – that just seems wrong to me. ” And then I smile, stretch, and take another sip.
Barbara, I would be disappointed in you and I think America would be horrified if your only response was to with great reserve take a sip of coffee and say “yes let’s talk about that”. I doubt you would be capable of a reserved discussion about that ESPECIALLY if you were a victim of a sexual crime! So why is this different? The empathy factor. Women have no trouble empathizing with sexual abuse victims because 90% of the population ARE sexual abuse victims. The aborted child population has few empathizers though because they don’t survive to empathize. There are a few. Gianna Jessen – surivor of a botched saline abortion now approaching her thirties who has cerebral palsy from the abortion. That’s one. But who else Barbara? There must be a community of people willing to sympathize where they cannot empathize. Those children didn’t have a voice but if they did, I doubt they could quietly sip their lattes with you and calmly discuss the “right” actions of their mothers in choosing death for them.
If a very large percentage of our population believes that America is committing genocide against our innocent children, isn’t that worth raising the roof over? Isn’t that worth a passionate response? This country is divided. It may appear (compliments of the liberal press) that those who have this belief are far right religious extremists but the polls prove otherwise (observe who is President and who is NOT). The problem is, too few have the courage to take on someone else’s victimization as their own and truly cry out on the behalf of the preborn. I won’t be guilty of ignoring their cries with tea time conversation Barbara and I find it a crime that you can.
But alas, Elizabeth did not say those things and she got pegged as the crazy. Breaks my heart when this happens. I really feel for her because she was standing alone and on the spot with the world watching. That is a tough position to be in. She also knew she had limited time and was trying to bring the topic back around to the majority issue but she was not ever going to be given air time for the heart of the conversation. The rest of the panel didn’t have the nerve. I would challenge them to invite Ann Coulter on as guest. Would I love to see that! She calls it straight up and Barbara would be running for cover. That will never happen though because Ann Coulter has also been tagged with the “crazy” label.
I do believe there is a time and place for calm, merciful, gracious conversation. I believe it isn’t prudent to scream so loud that people don’t HEAR you. HOWEVER, this conversation is 30 years running now and children are still dying. If this is the result of “diplomacy”, than I think we have already proved the ineffectiveness of this. It’s time for the tears America. These babies don’t need need philosophers, daytime talk shows, political analysts, and tea time conversation quietly debating their fate. They need courageous, passionate Americans to take on their cause as if it was their own. That is what love does. Love does what is best for someone else regardless of the cost to self. Are you brave enough?
Father, thank you for giving courage to Elizabeth this week. She took a public stand and she was all by herself proclaiming truth on behalf of the little ones. She was mocked and patronized for this but we know that the rewards for her selfless choice will shine bright in eternity.
13 responses to “Outsiders VIEW”
eyes welling, voice choking and rallying as i read it to jason out loud…. stand up and wave your hankies people!!!!!
Wow…I just watched it, and I’m mad, too! I really am proud of Elisabeth for standing up for what’s right, but am soooooo mad that she was scolded like she was by Barbara (and the looks on Joy’s face throughout the clip). Your comments are right on, Doni. Thanks for sharing this.
I saw a clip, too, yesterday -but it wasn’t as detailed as yours. So, thanks for including the link. ๐
I am proud of Elisabeth. Her eyes were saying all that her heart didn’t have the chance to. If everyone on that show would shut up & listen, voices may be heard. Once someone disagrees though, such as Barbara & Joy, the interruptions begin trying to sidetrack the topic. I think Elisabeth got “off track” because once someone continues to interrupt you over & over & over, naturally you will lose your train of thought. I commend her for telling Barbara “I can’t!” when Barbara told her to calm down. Passion is not calm. Passion shouldn’t be calm. And I felt bad for her that she had something to say, but wasn’t given the time. Typical for the show. Another reason I won’t watch anymore. ๐
So, kudos to you Elisabeth. Follow your heart & don’t let anyone else shape your decisions. She did not “lose her mind”. She lost her heart on a subject she feels deeply about.
Personally, I think the “pill” is p.a.t.h.e.t.i.c. But as I get older, I am finding out that I wouldn’t expect anything different from our world & society, now-a-days. It saddens my heart. If I could see Elisabeth, I would hug her. ๐
Doni I think you should send that italicized portion to Barbara via her email on their website (I’m assuming they have an avenue for that).
I used to watch that show and I’ve always felt that Elizabeth gets shafted because of her views – she either gets quieted or ridiculed, but she amazes me in how she stands up for herself and her beliefs in the midst of the other sneering women in front of millions of people. I was apalled at how Barbara treated her at the end. She was scolding her like a 3 year old in front of a huge audience and Elizabeth, to her credit, didn’t say, “i’m sorry mommy, I won’t do it again” and back down. I think she should have quit the show right then and there for the lack of respect she was shown – however, you know that would have been spun as She quit because she was being a baby.
Done. Sent the italicized version to BW and sent a “Thank You” note to Elizabeth. The View website say’s Elizabeth reads her comments every day so I would encourage all of you to express your appreciation to her. Here is the link:
http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/
oh good! thank you for the link – i was thinking just yesterday that i wanted to write to her!
done.
In case she read your post… it’s EliSabeth. ๐
Just catching up with all after a short vacation. This one flat makes me mad. I too joined in on leaving a comment for Elisabeth. I’m glad you sent your post and I hope it is read. I feel sorry for Elisabeth because in the moment (and on camera) is much harder to express yourself that for us to be able to mull it over and have an answer! Bless her heart, she tried. I think you made a good point Doni, we do need to be ready with an answer as God’s Word tells us to. Keep up the good work! I continue to be proud of you. Lovin’ you always!
Do you think I sounded like I was being too tough on Elisabeth? I was VERY proud of her and am very supportive of the stand she took – VERY PROUD. I did feel it necessary though to point out that the conversation got derailed the minute she got distracted by the extreme arguments. Because that is what usually happens to conservatives (as it is the favorite debate tactic of a liberal), I expected it to happen but felt it important to prepare others to stand their ground under fire. You can’t cave and you have to be consistent. Again though, from what Elisabeth was trying to say, I think she would agree with my stand against abortion in cases of rape and incest but she didn’t want the conversation to take that turn because the topic WAS (in case the panel forgot) legalization of the morning after pill OTC! As Elisabeth said, it would be a very small number of consumers that fell into that category of extreme situation anyhow therefore, if the rest of the panel wanted to stay fair to the discussion they would have kept on topic. (Apparently they didn’t feel equipped to defend OTC for the mass population though because that only got about 2 seconds of air time…figures).
I totally think you supported Elisabeth – but, you pointed out how easily we get derailed and that’s the point I want to be aware of. I want to have my “answer” ready ahead of time!!! The enemy is tricky, tricky, tricky! I just get mad everytime I think about Barbara Walters, however, and how condescending she was to Elisabeth, plus the heading makes me downright mad. They always set the person standing for truth and morality as “out of control.” Anyway, no, I think you said it clearly. I just wanted to defend her for at least trying and being passionate about it!!!
I read this yesterday and sent an e-mail to both Elisabeth and BW. Thank you for the link. And I think that you sound very proud of Elisabeth and that you are just trying to help us to debate this topic more effectively. I know that I sit up and take notice when you make suggestions of how to defend the lives of these little ones.
hear hear carrie